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Idiotsdelight · Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:38 pm Post subject:

You got the hunters kara guidelines all fubar IMO if an MM hunter is at 1500 ap then hes wearing all greens or less, well your ZA and gruul one is pretty weird too.

Sorry this is waynebrady trolling your forums because I am a sad panda like that.

Morblodplez · Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 4:21 am Post subject: warlocks

warlocks can vary so much.

max spell hit is 202 according to wowwiki....... for locks

spell hit matters more for 25 mans , hence the tier 5 lock gear.

so i say req for locks for raids in my opinion:

Spell hit: 100+ with progression toward 202

Shadow Damage: 850+ unbuffed 950-1100+ raid buffs

Spell Crit: 10-13% .... warlocks have wiped raids because of crits threat meters or not 3 affliction + CoD + Shadow bolt crit + instant shadow bolt crit = agro whore w/o trying

Mana: 9000+ unbuffed

Health: 8500+ unbuffed

Speced: I'm 36/0/25 and Furies is similar

Furies I think does more dmg than me now but my spell hit is higher now so i'll be more effective the higher the bosses get.

Austin93 · Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:51 am Post subject:

sounds right for ssc/tk

Kreeoni

Here is a general post that I am slowly coming up with for minimum requirements for raids. This list is not the be all and end all yet, just a start of a guideline.

Kara:
As a general guideline, all classes regardless of spec should have at the bare minimum 8k buffed HP. Melee DPS should have close to 100 hit rating and casters should have around 6% spell hit. Note that hit rating/spell hit and AP/Spell Dmg is greater than lots of crit.

Druids

Feral(Bear): 415 def, 20k armor and 20% dodge. They also need points in the "Survival of the Fittest" talent.
Feral(Cat): 2.1k ap and 25% crit.
Balance: +700 spell dmg, 20% crit and if you can 6% hit rating.
Restoration: +1.25k to healing.

Hunters
100 Hit rating
Beast Mastery: 1.3k ap, 20% crit.
Marksmanship: 1.5k ap, 20% crit.

Mages

Frost: +700 frost, ~15% crit.
Fire: +700 fire, ~15%crit.

Paladins

Holy: +1.3k to healing.
Retribution: 1.5k ap, 21% crit.
Protection: 490 def, 13k armor, 12k health, 18% in dodge/parry, 20% block and +200 spell dmg. (Total of 102.4 combined with dodge, parry, and block)

Priests

Holy/Disc: +1.3k to healing.
Shadow: +750 shadow dmg with 6% to hit rating.

Rogues

200 Hit rating
Combat(Sword): 1350 ap, 20% crit
Combat(Daggers): 1350 ap, 25% crit
Assassination: 1325 ap, 20% crit
Subtlety: 1.5k ap, 22% crit

Shamans

Elemental: +650 spell, ~15% crit.
Enhancement: 1.3k ap, ~18% crit.
Restoration: 1.2k to healing.

Warlocks

Affliction: +750 shadow/fire dmg.
Destruction: +700 shadow/fire, 18% crit.

Warriors

Arms: 1.4k ap, 25% crit
Fury: 1.4k ap, 25% crit
Protection: 490 def, 13k armor, 12k health, 15% in dodge/parry/block

ZA:
(Stolen from http://warriornation.net/Forum/showthread.php?t=349233)
WARRIORS
TANKS - 13.5k hp unbuffed - 500 defense - 60 hit rating - 22% dodge - 16% Parry - 24% block - 15k armor - (MUST BE SPECCED PROT)

DPS - 11k unbuffed - 1700ap (w/o battle shout) - 27%+ Crit Chance - 150+ hit rating - 9k armor

DRUIDS
Feral Tankers:
30k armor, 16k HP unbuffed, 32% dodge, crit immunity.

Feral DPSers:
2.8k AP, >5% hit, 32% crit, 8.5k HP.

Balance:
800 +damage, 8.5k HP, 10k mana, 12% hit, 22% crit, 130 MP5

Resto:
1500 +healing, 8.5k HP, 10k mana, 125 MP5 or 400 Spirit.

HUNTERS
600+ Ranged Damage, 1650 AP, 20% Ranged Crit (this is the lowest minimum allowed and will most likely be updated once we get in there more)

PRIESTS
Discipline or Disc/Holy Hybrids:
1500+ Healing, 11k mana, 8k health, 150 mp5 casting or 480 spirit

Deep Holy:
1700+ Healing, 10k mana, 8k health, 150 mp5 casting or 480 spirit

Shadow:
900+ Shadow Damage, 9.5k mana, 8k health, 450+ sustained DPS

SHAMANS
- All Shaman health should be at least 8k+

- Resto: 1600+ Healing, 10k+ Mana

- Enhancement: 1400+ AP, dual weilding 75+ DPS weapons (slow MH/slow OH, no exceptions for fast off-hands), NO 2-HANDER DPS

- Elemental: 800+ Nature Damage

MAGES UNBUFFED
800 Spell Damage
8% Spell Hit (with talents)
25% Spell Crit
7500 Health
8500 Mana
Raid Spec of 10/48/3 (My spec follows for confused mages)
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-t...27arak&n=Kiras

ROGUES
Combat
1500 AP, 250+ top-end damage on MH weapon
500+ sustained DPS

Subtlety
25% base Melee Crit, 80+ DPS weapon in MH
500+ sustained DPS

Assassination
25% base Melee Crit, 80+ DPS weapon in MH and OH
500+ sustained DPS

WARLOCKSAffliction
75+ Spell Hit-850-1k spell dmg (more shadow oriented) - 10k+ hp

Demonology
30+ Spell Hit - 17-19% Spell Crit - 750-800 Spell dmg - 12k+ hp

Destruction
45+ Spell Hit - 13%+ Spell Crit - 700+ Spell dmg - 9k hp - 10k mp

PALADINS
Holy
- 1400 +Healing
- 10K Mana
- 8k Health
- 175 Mp5
- 21%-22% Spell Crit

Protection
- 12K Health Unbuffed
- 490 Defense
- 300 Spell damage
- 15k Armor
- 102.4% combined dodge/parry/block/miss with Holy Shield

Gruul's Lair:
(Stolen from http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3168485906&sid=1&pageNo=1)

Druid
Boomkin: HP: 8,000 MP: 8,000 Other: +750 Spell Dmg, 18% Spell Crit in Caster form, 9% Spell Hit
Healing: HP: 8,000 MP: 8,500 Other: +1,400 Healing, +120 MP5
Tank: HP: 16,000 MP: N/A Other: 25,000 Armor, 415 Defense with points in survival of the fittest, 25% Dodge, 1,100 AP, 20% Crit
Melee: HP: 8,000 MP: N/A, Other: 2,500 AP, 25% Crit

Hunter
Beast Master: HP: 8,000 MP: 7,500 Other: 1,550 AP, 20% Crit, 8% to hit
Marksman: HP: 8,000 MP: 8,000 Other: 1,600 AP, 20% Crit, 8% to hit

Mage
All: HP: 8,000 MP: Other: +800 spell Damage, %20 spell crit, 9% Spell Hit

Paladin
Retribution HP: 8,000 MP: 6,000 Other: 1600 AP, +400 Spell Damage, 20% Crit
Healing: HP: 8,000 MP: 9,000 Other: +1,500 Healing, +80 MP5, 15% Holy Spell Crit.
Tank: HP: 12,500 MP: 5,000 Other: 490 Defense, 14,000 armor, 102.4% avoidance (while HS is up add dodge/parry/block and miss), +200 spell damage.

Priest
Shadow HP: 8,000 MP: 7,500 Other: +850 Damage
Healing HP: 8,000 MP: 8,500 Other: +1,500 Healing, +130 MP5

Rogue
Combat Swords: HP: 9,000 Other: 1500 AP, 20% Crit, +185 to Hit
Combat Daggers: HP: 9,000 Other: 1500 AP, 26% Crit, +115 to Hit
Assassination: HP: 9,000 Other: 1500 AP, 26% Crit, +115 to Hit

Shaman
Melee: HP: 8,000 MP: 6,500 Other: 1,300 AP, +9% to hit, 20% Crit
Healing: HP: 8,000 MP: 9,000 Other: +1,400 Healing, +120 MP5, 20% Spell crit
Caster DPS: HP: 8,000 MP: 8,500 Other: +800 Spell Damage, 18% Spell Crit

Warlock
Affliction: HP: 8,000 MP: 7,000 Other: +850 Spell Damage, +80 Spell Hit
Demonology/Destruction: HP: 8,000 MP: 8,000 Other: +1,000 Spell Damage, +80 Spell Hit

Warrior
DPS HP: 9,000 MP: N/A Other: 1,700 AP, +12% to Hit, 30% Crit.
Tank: HP: 13,500 MP: N/A Other: +500 Defense, 16,000 armor, % Avoidance (20 Dodge / 17 Parry / 30 Block)

SSC/TK:

This is where the gear checks stop and the how you play your class begin.

DPS should be ~850 DPS (some classes are higher rogues/hunter/mages/warlocks some classes are lower sPriests/Feral Druids/Ele&Ehnc Shaman)

Tanks should be ~700 TPS and ~15k hp unbuffed (numbers varies for pally/feral/warrior)

Healers should be able to last for at least 8 minutes without going OOM

What is 14 + 2?